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The Noetic Society is a 501(c)(3) non-profit group with members in Southern California and around the world, who have been inspired to study Homer, Parmenides, the pre-Socratics, Plato, the neo-Platonists, and other perennial philosophers and mystics, not for academic reasons, but for personal spiritual growth. The society was founded by Pierre Grimes, PhD in 1967, and was incorporated in 1978.



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Synopsis Another Saturday morning with Pierre and members of the NS. We continue with our question from last night on what characteristic(s) differentiate the Logos, in Proclus' Elements of Theology . Highlights 10:01am PDT anyone look for 'taxi' (order) (between last night and this morning)? 10:03 why is this difficult? 10:09 (JulieH) Is the Logos among the gods? 10:14 Pierre had given us Taxi, Intellect, and Logos to consider, and propositions to go with each 10:17 we will need to work either...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, elements-of-theology, prop148,prop149,prop209, proclus
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Synopsis Another Saturday morning with Pierre and members of the NS. Pierre challenges us to use analogical thinking to explore the Logos in several (all!) of the Propositions of Proclus' Elements of Theology . Highlights Challenge: Use analogy to explore propositions 122, 123, and 124 to show the perfect intelligibility of the Logos. 10:05 What difference does it make how you understand a proposition? 4-term Analogy -- A : B :: C : D prop122: all that is divine : B :: the Logos : D what is...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, elements-of-theology, prop122, prop113, prop097, proclus
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Jun 12, 2021 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another interesting Saturday morning with Pierre and members of the NS. Jeremy explores a dream with Pierre. Highlights 9:53am PDT warm-up with Belinda on holding your position and not being "cooperative" 9:56am PDT what does it mean to be empty? in Plato's Theaetetus ? 10:06 what is going on in Plato's Apology ? Because he is being charged with bringing in other gods than the state believes in "What I do not know, I do not think I do" -- is really making a claim...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM
Synopsis Another Saturday morning coffee and chat with Pierre and members of the NS. We continue with Providence, putting us back into Plato's Republic , and the Myth of Er, and .. who would choose a philosophic life? Highlights 09:55 AM PDT warm-up with Belinda on doubt, politeness, and having different ideas from others 10:11 with Regina, on reading Proclus' example of using the dialectic on Providence, re. her previously being caught-up on personal language use of “dependence” 10:29 can...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, republic, book10, NSDRM
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Synopsis Another interesting morning with Pierre and members of the NS. We spend a little more time on last night's study of Proclus and the demonstrations of dialectic on Providence (and others), then get into the question of "faith" and how this was used (by Paul) to change Christianity into something very different from what Jesus was teaching. We explore dreams from Belinda and Bradley. Highlights 10:01:35 What would the dialect be in Pierre's midwifery (via his book)? Does...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, gospel-of-mark, NSDRM
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May 15, 2021 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another Saturday morning with Pierre and members of the NS. Apropos of last night , Pierre has us look around for hints on what Plato might mean by “Being” in his dialogue The Republic , by finding quotes on it in Book 6. Highlights 9:57am PDT How to help someone get into Plato? 10:00 how can we tell when we're interpreting, and when we're not? 10:03 Why is “Being” important in Plato's Republic ? What do you have to (do to) gain it? 10:17 why is he talking about “-ness” (at...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, republic, book06
Synopsis Another Saturday morning chat with Pierre and members of the NS. We continue reading in Plotinus’ Sixth Ennead, Tractate 2, Chapter 21 (and a little bit of the end of Chapter 20). Highlights 09:58am PDT warm-up: PMW with Regina on insights she is having while reading Plato and Plotinus, and the family pathologos, “Don't think you know so/too much” 10:20 Stanley: Plotinus and meditation 10:22 Kate: reading and being smart in her family 10:25 Barbara on Loeb (grammatical structure)...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, enneads, ennead06, plotinus, NSPMW
Synopsis Another fun Saturday morning with Pierre and members of the NS. We continue our discussion from last night regarding the wording of Pierre's exhortation to practice (internal) phronesis. Barbara also brings in three great quotes on phronesis from Plato's Republic , and at end Pierre dialogues with Sayon over Sayon's OBE's and recommends Sayon read Plotinus who has the same question: What Am I Doing Back in This Body? Highlights Phronesis vs perfectionism, continued, with Barbara and...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, republic, enneads, book06, book07, ennead04, tractate08, chap06,...
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Synopsis Another Saturday morning with Pierre and members of the NS. We work more on the Sun analogy in Plato's Republic , using as usual the Balboa translation. Highlights 10:11 Anonymous friend's question: Why not compare the Sun analogy with the Divided Line analogy? no thinking. Just looking. Do it. 10:24 start reading 507c: Is he beginning to compare with Divided Line here? 10:35 Finding the (multi-term) analogy: Sun, Light, Eyes (solar-form), visible objects, etc. 10:36 Now we've done...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, republic, book06, NSDRM
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Synopsis A fun morning with Pierre and members of the NS. We pick up the previous question of why there are 2 analogies in Book 6 of Plato's Republic , and how they function. Highlights Warm-up: Any questions? 10:11 Pierre reminds us of our question from a few sessions back which had remained un-answered: The 2 analogies in book 6 of Plato's Republic : The Sun analogy and the divided line analogy. Why? 10:35 Reading from p.273, 506a, 505e forwardback at 10:57 (after 5-10) 10:57 switched from...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, republic, book06
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Mar 13, 2021 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis We start out continuing our discussion of last night's talk regarding Plotinus’ Enneads 6.2.21, and his question of the Logos. Pierre decides early on to take us at this point into the Timaeus, so that we can return to Plotinus Highlights A good way of approaching __ is to identify what the author considers a problem. Or, if we can find it, find, what creates the problem. Then we can decide whether he deals with it effectively or not. Timaeus: anyone have a good quote that can show...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, timaeus
Synopsis Another Saturday morning with Pierre. A dream exploration with Belinda, and a continuation of yesterday's discussion on the 4 term analogy of the movie screen and our experience. Highlights Discussion with Jed Belinda: dream exploration is a “screen” implied in any experience we perceive? why Plato and the Republic ? What is the difference between this kind of teaching (Plato) and the way it is expressed in Buddhist literature? (No Logos, no Self in Buddhist teaching) Pierre lays...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, republic, book06, book07, NSDRM
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Feb 20, 2021 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another Saturday morning with Pierre. More on Philosophical Midwifery, and also Julie explores a dream with Pierre. Highlights Some PMW with Regina Philosophical Midwifery, continued (from last night ). Pierre asks why he presents PMW to conferences and no one ever came up to him to ask him about more later, such as to get his book, etc Some PMW with JulieH More on Philosophical Midwifery Pierre's question 10:25 or so and DavidC's answer Pierre's Philosophical Midwifery is not...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM
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Synopsis Another fun Saturday morning with Pierre and the NS'ers. Some dreams explored and more discussion of Book 6 of Plato's Republic . Highlights Dream exploration with Belinda and post-discussion A bit more discussion on Book 6 of Plato's Republic (continued from yesterday ) (10:43am PST) dream exploration with CharlesS (11:04am PST) dream exploration with KateS Dream Texts Belinda's Dream I was interacting with glowing orbs. When I got close to them I could see the Logos inside of them....
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, republic, book06, NSDRM
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Feb 6, 2021 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis A fun but intense Saturday afternoon considering Jed's dream and Pathologos issue and how to approach it. The group paid much closer attention this time, and got a good grasp of how it manifests. Also, I am going to start recording post-discussions after Pierre leaves, from now on, as folks have said they don't mind (as long as the recording banner is up). Highlights Dream Exploration: Jed and post-discussion of how to proceed After-party: Various topics. Dream Texts Jed's Dream -- Fri...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM
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Jan 30, 2021 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another meaningful Saturday morning with Pierre and members of the NS discussing and unpacking messages from the "Dream Master" in a rational way. Highlights Discussion of Jed's comments last night on his own dream and what to do with them Dream exploration: Regina Metaphor and approximation in our language: IS the sky blue? IS the pen yellow? Dream exploration: KevinG Dream Texts Regina's Dream Why would you want to talk to a woman. Because they have risen to a place have...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM
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Synopsis A Saturday morning meeting with Pierre and the NS gang on Zoom. An initial brief discussion between Regina and Pierre (carried over from before 10am) on why to read Plato's Republic (1), and then two dream explorations. Highlights Why read Plato's Republic ? 10:05/6 Discussion with Regina Dream Explorations with JeffL and Ged Dream Texts JeffL's Dream - Thu 21 Jan 2021 1 Mel from Dog school wakes everybody upstairs 7:00am. She tells everybody to get up. Philosophers X,Y,&Z are...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, republic, book01, NSDRM
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Synopsis Another Saturday morning on Zoom with Pierre and members of the NS. Highlights Phaedo and the world of Ideas: Idea-Selves (75A-E) (1) Dream exploration with Regina Dream Texts Regina's Dream Cognitions that are ugly are dangerouse/wrong Resources Plato's Phaedo . Juan and Maria Balboa, translators . See also our NS Reading List . Original Location https://archive.org/details/20210116NSSAT Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License Please Help Support the Project Do you enjoy...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, phaedo, NSDRM
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Synopsis Another fun Saturday morning with Pierre. Some discussion of how much we can say here politically as a 501(c)(3) registoered organization; dream and daydream reflections; and talk about what a real science would look like. Highlights With JulieH: Discussion of 501(c)(3) organizations and their (and thus our) ability to discuss politicians and political issues (without lobbying, etc.) (Pierre arrives) Daydream exploration with Eldar Don's reflection on the providence of black holes...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM
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Jan 2, 2021 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another Saturday morning with Pierre and members of the NS. Highlights Is it necessary to know the author’s intention before-hand? If so, how are we going to get it? PMW with Jed Original Location https://archive.org/details/20210102NSSAT Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License Please Help Support the Project Do you enjoy our free audios and videos? Please consider supporting Pierre, the NS, and our archiving activity by giving a small amount monthly to support our work....
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSPMW
Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
Dec 26, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis On this Saturday morning, Pierre starts out by asking us what would happen if we all decided to act justly. What would be the consequences? Highlights One consequence: We would have to stop blaming others for our own misery People believe they are in an unjust world, thus allowing them to blame others for their misery Having good reasons for (apparently) just actions What would happen socially, politically, industrially, if we put the standard of justice up front? Our own imprisonment...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1
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Dec 19, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis In today’s meeting, Pierre midwifes Barbara on a dream she had this morning, and JeffL on a daydream he had while ‘sitting’ (i.e., meditating). Dream Texts Barbara’s Dream – Sat 19 Dec 2020 In the dream there was a doctor, a woman functioning in a clinic. In one scene she’s talking about whether or not she’s doing a good job. But she says she’s not sure that the hospital which she names is making any profit off of her work. That she comes to it without any training, and...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM
Synopsis Saturday morning with Pierre. Continuation of last night’s discussion, looking for a standard by which to compare Plato’s thought to the Ox-herding pictures(1). Highlights What’s the standard we can use to rate Plato’s (or anyone’s) statement, so we can relate it to the ox-herding pictures? Back to reading Plato’s statements in his 7th letter(2), sections 341b -342d. Plato is laying out his own approach What would have happened if he did a dialogue on that? Are there any...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, three-pillars-of-zen, 7th-letter,...
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Nov 28, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Pierre and the gang continue with more on Homer and Plato. Continued from yesterday . Highlights Discussion of both yesterday’s question re Plato and Homer , and Pierre’s 3/2020 APPA article Discussion of whether history needs to be used to read 599d (it can, and should, but Pierre argues that Plato can be evaluated also solely on the basis of the text itself, whether he is following his own criteria) Is Plato rejecting something vitally important in his own culture? Did Europe...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, republic, book10
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Nov 14, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another Saturday morning NS meeting with Pierre. Eldar shares a dream, which hits home with several of us, and a post-discussion ensues. Highlights Eldar explores a dream with Pierre midwifing When was the last time we sacrificed to the gods !? (Nobody in the modern world does) References Socrates’ prayer to the gods From Phaedrus 279b : O beloved Pan and all ye other gods of this place, grant to me that I be made beautiful in my soul within, and that all external possessions be in...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM
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Oct 31, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Saturday morning with Pierre on Zoom. Highlights (with Regina) Understanding Euclid: Bringing Mind and Love Together What makes a definition (á là Euclid’s definitions, and Proclus)? Review of last night’s discussion with Jed: 8 terms needed instead of 6 society. leader to its people. the group around the leader (the army), etc.. (?) What is the relationship between Philosophical Midwifery (PMW) and Analogy? What follows if PMW can get to the root of our problems, whether...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1
Synopsis Another fun Saturday morning with Pierre and the NS gang. Pierre works a little ‘light’ midwifery with JulieH. Various questions and a dream. We finish off with Jed taking another shot at discerning Socrates’ motive on page 1 of Plato’s Republic . Highlights Philosophical Midwifery with JulieH Dream exploration with David Discussion with Regina on Doubt Discussion with Jed (Republic) Dream Texts David’s Dream 2020-10-23 1 I am at school. We are roller skating or something. I...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, republic, book01, NSDRM, NSPMW
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Oct 17, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another fine Saturday morning exploring dreams with Pierre’s midwifery. Highlights Continuation of Kate’s dream exploration from last night . Exploration of Josh’s Dream More exploration of Darlene’s dream from September 12th . A brief hello and announcement from Juan Balboa on his latest translation of Damascius (See references, below) Dream Texts Kate’s Dream (reprinted from yesterday) Brother came back in the dream. I was trying to get something to record him. He was just...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM
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Oct 10, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis On this Saturday morning, Eldar, Sayon, and Kevin explore their dreams with Pierre. Highlights Some initial discussion of Proclus’ dialectic in his Commentary on Plato’s Parmenides (per ChrisC). Exploration of Eldar’s, Sayon’s, and Kevin’s dreams with Pierre midwifing Dream Texts Eldar’s Dream I was riding my bike down a parking garage and I came to a spot where I jumped down from a considerably tall ledge onto a lower level. At the same time I was hearing an advertisement...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, commentary-on-parmenides, NSDRM, proclus
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Oct 3, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis On this Saturday morning, Barbara, Belinda, Kate, and Grace explore their recent dreams with Pierre midwifing. Dream Texts Barbara’s Dream October 1 2020 In this dream I’m with some people (fellow spiritual seekers) we go to a, or end up at a large, clear, (naturally living, rock and algae) rock lined lake in the midst of (surrounded by) low mountains. And, to get down to the lake, there’s various ways (less direct, ways around) , but one way involves going down the rocky side of...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM
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Sep 5, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another good Saturday morning chat with Pierre. This morning, Pierre has a short chat (‘midwife-light’) with Nastasja, then midwifes Regina and Belind on their recent dreams. Dream Texts Regina’s Dream – 5 Sept 2020 There was a woman who was giving instruction on a certain kind of meditation. And we were practicing, and we were repeating what she was giving us. And we got to a particular pharse. And she read it. Duo, duos, dudo duos. I said duo, duce, duo. And I said oh, it’s...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM
Synopsis Pierre and the NS continue our discussion on the place of the Ideas/Virtues. This leads us into a discussion of the Phaedo. Why is the dialogue named after him? Highlights Justice Philosophical Midwifery (PMW) as a way of dealing with (understanding) their anger What is it about tracing the consequences that is so important in reflection? How does this idea of Justice relate to Knowledge? Could we explore Courage, Temperance, Wisdom – all the virtues – in the same way we explored...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, republic, chinul, phaedo
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Aug 22, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis With Pierre as midwife, Ged, Belinda, and Bradley explore the meaning in their recent dreams. Dream Texts Ged’s Dream – Sat 22 August 2020 SCENE 1 A I go into the back room of my childhood house, and there were people playing cricket. I joined them as a fielder, and saw that the ball wasnt coming my way, so i moved to the other side of the field where i thought this particular batter might be inclined to hit the ball. Another ball was bowled, and the batter missed it, but from the...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM
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Jul 25, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another fun Saturday morning with Pierre and insights from dreamwork and midwifery. Highlights Kate explores a dream with Pierre on a Saturday morning. This leads Sayon to suggest the 5-Second rule (1) to help one move forward on projects, whether asking for a raise or working on a project, which leads to a philosophical midwifery (PMW) talk with Sayon and Pierre about Sayon’s own “clan’s” rules against pursuing his own goals. We explore a dream with Regina A bit of discussion...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM, NSPMW
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Jul 11, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis This Saturday there is a some introductory discussion, mostly Barbara and Don, and then Pierre, and then for the rest of the session, Eldar explores a dream with Pierre. There are technical issues with today’s recording – see below. Highlights Discussion between Barbara and Don Pierre tries to get us started on Cause and the Timaeus We pick up a pretty fundamental/phenomenal dream exploration with Eldar (text below) Dream Text Eldar’s Dream I was in a situation I had been in...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM
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Jul 4, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another Saturday morning with Pierre and the gang. Continuing on yesterday’s discussion regarding the comparison of individual goods, Pierre (with Cathy’s help, and her having read the translation from the Balboas) explores how to have a conversation with people regarding their ‘goods’, and what the ultimate Good/goal is, both for us individually, and for all of us – the group we call ‘humanity’. Highlights chat with Kevin Belinda’s question in the 7-page doc from the...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, cratylus
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Jun 27, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Saturday morning with Pierre, starting again with ‘part’ and ‘whole’ in the opening lines of the first hypothesis of Plato’s Parmenides . (We use the Balboa translation .) Highlights Hellos to Eve and Niko Belinda: What can we say about the Self? Is it Intellect Intellecting the Intelligible? Continuing yesterday’s discussion In order for a part to become a part of a whole, must it fit symmetrically? Why did ‘God’ give us symmetry? I.e., What is the origina of symmetry?...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, parmenides, hyp1, proclus, commentary-first-alcibiades
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Jun 20, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another Saturday morning with Pierre and the gang. First Pierre explores a dream with Kate , and then we discuss Plato’s Parmenides ( Balboa translation ), first hypothesis. We are still on the first page. Highlights Pierre asks us to review our talk last night (unrecorded) since he was not there 10:34 - 11:16 Regina and he discuss how to understand Parmenides, P1-001 (the first sentence of the first hypothesis), specifically the phrase, ‘in some other way’, vs one alternative...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, parmenides, hyp1
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Synopsis A Saturday morning Jitsi’ing with Pierre. No dreams or casual chat – We jump right into the Parmenides ( Balboa translation ). Pierre asks us what we do after collecting all the points about the One that Is (of the First Hypothesis). We do get stuck on P1-052 and how ‘Nature’ is being used, there. Highlights Can we bring together all the things said about the One that Is? It is not a many (as other ones are) It is not a whole no parts no beginning, middle or end no limit/bound...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, parmenides, hyp1
Synopsis Another fun Saturday morning with Pierre. First we explore a dream of Eldar’s . Then immediately following that (this recording), Pierre asks us to consider what we gained from listening to Eldar’s exploration (and from all dream explorations). This leads us into a discussion of tyranny, which leads us to consider the “matter” in the “Black Lives Matter” movement, and what societal positives have come out of wake of the George Floyd murder in Minnesota. Highlights Eldar’s...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1
Synopsis Another lovely Saturday morning with Pierre on Jitsi! What a super way to end (and re-start) the week. Topic Highlights Barbara’s discussion with Pierre on … Dream with Eldar Cause in the Ion , with DonB Robin’s Dream with JeffL 11:18am is Socrates showing evidence of possessing an art (in the Ion )? Must one use their knowledge to benefit the subject, which brings them into a better state of mind? Likewise, in Plato’s dialogue, Parmenides , did Socrates benefit in any way from...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, ion, symposium, parmenides, meno, NSDRM
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May 23, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session on Plato's Ion . We use mostly the Balboa translation , although we occasionally refer to the Loeb (Lamb), Rouse, and Taylor. For more study questions, check out the 2 recent previous sessions on the Ion, Sunday 5/17 and Saturday 5/23 . For a full list of Ion-related items in our archive, try this search . Topic Highlights and Pierre’s Questions conversation with KevinG 0:08:02 -- Pierre’s 1st question:...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, ion
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Synopsis Another fun Saturday morning with Pierre, videoconferencing on Jitsi. Darlene and parenting wisdom, power, naming, Meno, being a “knower”, how to talk pleasantly Dream Explorations with Eldar, Josh PMW with Grace and reflecting on Josh's dream exploration Ion: Initial question for those of us studying it: Why is Ion not a ‘reciter’? Dream Texts Eldar's Dream I was at a house and at this house there was a loose cheetah. There was a woman with me and her child was somewhere in...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM, NSPMW, nsvc
Synopsis Another good morning with Pierre. We first do some dreams , then Pierre opens it up to questions, and we spend most of our time on Bradley's question on the use of ‘One’ and ‘Self’ in P1-001 and -002 in hyp1 Topic Highlights Open questions Barbara, Book 6, Proclus' Commentary on Plato's Parmenides, 400 autos just in Book 6 alone11:00:40 turned volume down B: it really transforms Proclus Bradley' s question on the use of ‘One’ and ‘Self’ in P1-001 and -002 in hyp1...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, parmenides, hyp1
Synopsis We continue on with our study of whether philosophical midwifery is in Homer's Iliad , and whether, therefore, the Greek / Hellenic civilization was aware of something profound and crucial for the Destiny of Man (which our “ modern “ culture lacks). As before, we particularly reference both of Pierre's “Struggle for Excellence” papers: the 2004 Athens conference paper and its 2005 APPA journal article derivative . Today's Quote: “The Greeks discovered from Homer and the works...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, iliad, struggle-for-excellence, homer, grimes
Synopsis A fun but rigorous Saturday morning, Jitsi'ing with Pierre. He starts over with having us as a group read the 1st hypothesis of Plato's Parmenides (*), and watching how Parmenides reasons, in a curious way that we moderns are not familiar with, to reason about the One-Self. Topic Highlights and Pierre' s Questions [This section is under construction: These are not complete.. I could not keep up today. Will have to edit and add more notes later. It was just too good and the points were...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, parmenides, hyp1, NSPRM
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Synopsis Saturday morning with Pierre on Jitsi. Looking at his paper given in Athens in 2004, and later published in the inaugural issue of the Journal of the APPA (March 2005), regarding finding Philosophical Midwifery in the Iliad, and its superiority to modern psychology. The issue of cause. Looking more in depth at the problem of the pathologos, using the Iliad, and looking at Agamemnon, Achilles, and Zeus. Then Pierre helps Belinda explore a recent dream. Pierre's Questions to Us and Topic...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, iliad, book09, book24, homer, nsvc
Synopsis Dream Explorations with Bradley, Josh, and Jed Continued discussion under Pierre's leadership of Book 24 of Homer's Iliad . What can we conclude about what the Iliad and Chapter 24 are telling us about ourselves? Pierre's Questions to Us What's the point of reading this work? What can we get from it? How does it fit with the Will of Zeus? How would a Greek react/respond to this work? What would they take away? What did each of the people in Book 24 learn? Describe each participant...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, NSDRM, pg1, iliad, phaedrus, book24, homer, nsvc
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Apr 4, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis This Saturday morning we rejoin online again. After first a dream exploration with Grace , we continue under Pierre's leadership our exploration of Homer's Iliad , Book 24, from last night's discussion , focusing on the question of how the word, 'αυτο' (Self) is used in reference to humans, and to the gods, and how that differs, and therefore what we can conclude about the message the ancient Greeks had for us through this work. Topic Highlights Continuation of last night's...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, iliad, book24, homer, nsvc
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Synopsis Our first Saturday Jitsi'ing with Pierre in lieu of Regina's or David's houses - again because of the corona virus. The advantage is that many of our old (but now remote) friends were able to join us. This Saturday, Pierre wanted us to make further progress through Book 24 of Homer's Iliad , continuing to look at the occurrences of the Greek word 'αυτο' (Self), using the Fitzgerald translation and Barbara's retranslations of certain sentences with auto as Self. So Barbara leads us...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, iliad, book24, homer, nsvc
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Jan 25, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another fun Saturday morning coffee and dialogue with Pierre. First RobinA explores a dream with Pierre as midwife, and after that, we get into a discussion of the nature of fascism. Dream Text Robin's Dream -- Sat 18 Jan 2020 Jeff was living in my home in Garden Grove. He and I were re-modeling rooms, and we were taking off the plywood, and the facade that was covering the beams. And as he and I were taking off the wood, there were many black widows walking on the beams and behind the...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM
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Jan 18, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another fun Saturday morning with Pierre. We warmed up with a little politics, and a discussion of how to break people (especially Trump-ites, but also entire societies) out of their heavy “belief” states. Then we dive into two dream explorations with JulieH and Eldar. (I was exhausted, so again, just an audio and some snapshots today, no video.) JulieH's dream exploration starts at about 0:34:15 (where I deleted about 10 minutes of silence while Pierre and the group read over her...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM
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Jan 11, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another fun Saturday morning with Pierre, who helped Josh, JulieH, and Regina explore their recent dreams. (JulieH brought in a dream that pre-dated the dream she explored last night with Pierre. We don't usually do this, since the message(s) from earlier dreams most often get repeated in later dreams. But Pierre and JulieH were able to mine good new insights from what she brought in.) Dream Texts Josh's Dream -- Thu 9 Jan 2020 I'm in some middle eastern country and im a guest in their...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM
Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
Dec 21, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another beautiful Saturday morning at Regina's with Pierre for coffee. Three of us explored our dreams with Pierre midwifing, of course, and afterwards, some continued discussion, thanks to SteveD, and after last night's NSFRI meeting focusing on JeffL's recent sesshin experience (not posted yet), of the experience of the 'Canadian housewife' (her testimony in Roshi Philip Kapleau's classic, The Three Pillars of Zen (*1). At the end, some brief discussion (thanks to JeffL) of...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, NSDRM, pg1, three-pillars-of-zen, tibetan-yoga-and-secret-doctrines,...
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Nov 30, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another great morning with Pierre, exploring dreams and enjoying Saturday morning coffees. We explore a dream from JeffL, then a state of mind of JulieP's, then a dream of Regina's. Dream Texts JeffL's Dream Malissa is spending the night with me in the same room. (separate beds) Then she climbs into bed with me from the opposite side of the room with no clothes. She says, “Oh you have boxer shorts on!” I say, back to her, “Girl I have an erection! If I take my shorts off do you...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM
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Nov 23, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Changing the teaching of math, with Josh Pierre midwifes Barbara and JulieH through making sense of their recent dreams. Dream Texts Barbara's Dream Fragment There's a lady standing in front of me, and she is saying there are two presents. That present, and this present. JulieH's Dream #2 — Sun 17 Nov 2019 I’m at some place that is VERY RIGID. It’s a square room and like an insurance company. I’m the customer and the woman helping me works for other company. We’re over at...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM
Synopsis Another lovely Saturday morning chat and coffee with Pierre. Four NS members explore our recent dreams with Pierre as midwife. At the end, JeffL reads a bit from Tibetan Yoga and Secret Doctrines(*) and asks Pierre about some confusion that appears to be in the text between what we would view as the 1st and 2nd Parmenidean hypotheses (One-Self vs Brilliant Light of Being / Mind). Also Alex has worked a bit more to capture Love and Logos and runs it by Pierre. (*) Tibetan Yoga and...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM
Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
Nov 9, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another fun Saturday morning coffee with Pierre. We looked at 3 dreams this morning. Dream Texts JulieH's Dream -- Monday 4 November 2019 I had this dream earlier where I was — I got out of my classroom and I had been sent a note from the Dean’s Secretary or the secretary of the administrator of the Dept to take care of a matter which was that I needed to unlock this door and go in and take care of some conversation that a couple of administrators had had, and I needed to go in and...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM
Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
Oct 26, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis NS members Eldar and JulieH explore their recent dreams with Pierre mid-wifing. At the end, a bit of political discussion, and more investigation into JeffL's recent luminosity experience. Dream Texts Eldar's Dream - Sat 26 Oct 2019 So I am fighting this arch-enemy of mine. I'm like a superhero, like Spiderman. And I'm in this huge room and I'm running away from this “monster”. He's like a big, white, muscular, quick giant and he wants to get me. And i keep on running away. As...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM
Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
Oct 12, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another great Saturday morning chat with Pierre. (I was very tired, so I just did audio today, no video.) Pierre helped Regina and Eldar explore their dreams, with some post-discussion after each one. Regina's is at the beginning, and Eldar's starts about 1:03:00 I did take a snapshot of each, which are available as JPGs in the Download Options menu of this page. (All materials CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 INTL as usual.) Dream Texts Regina's Dreams 2 and 4 Oct 2019 Dream Wed 2 Oct 2019 I was...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM
Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
Sep 28, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another great Saturday morning coffee with Pierre. First we explored Barbara's and Eldar's dreams, and then we had some post discussion. Dream Texts Barbara's Dream - Fri 27 Sept 2019 I’m coming away from a dream, I don’t know much of it, but in this last section I see a motorcycle go by, I’m in the driveway of the house (exiting and I feel kind of self-satisfied, almost smirky). And on it, I recognize Rod Wallbank. He goes by but makes a U-turn and pulls up to me in the...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM
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Sep 14, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another great Saturday morning with Pierre. Again, just dreams today. Pierre has JulieH try her hand at midwifing Eldar. Dream Texts Barbara's Dream - Fri 13 Sept 2019 I’m visiting Kate Shannon’s house and it’s Christmas time. She has in her house not only her own children but she has a child she’s caring for who’s troubled in some way. She’s making food for them and one of the things she makes is a sandwich with processed cheese in a stack, American cheese. And she asks me...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM
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Sep 7, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another fun informal morning chit-chat with Pierre, at David's. This morning, we spend the entire time with our visitor MaxC, who has brought a dream with him. Dream Text MaxC's Dream - Wed 17 April 2019 I was a follower of Sasuke from the Naruto franchise, who was very powerful with a bright purple star following him. He took a non human form, he was a demon. I was very scrawny, weak, grey, I was his minion, the only one he had around though. We were fighting together for a while, but...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM
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Aug 31, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another great Saturday morning chat with Pierre. Today we did two dreams - JulieH and Eldar. Dream Texts JulieH's Dream - Sat 24 August 2019 I was having a dream just now just before I awoke where I was at a large international airport. I was hanging out with a guy who had a shirt on with stripes like the stripes on certain Korean fans and small bag decorations. But he apparently had nothing to do with the Korean connection, he was simply a worker for a politician who was trying to get...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM
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Aug 24, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another great Saturday morning with Pierre over coffee. JeffL brings in a list of thoughts and daydreams that come for him when he sits (meditates), and he and Pierre consider these. Later, KevinG brings up a dream he has experienced the night before and he and Pierre explore its meaning from his early family life. Dream Texts KevinG's Dream 24 August 2019 I fall and hit the ground so hard that I died and woke up and I died and woke up I fell again out of a building or something and...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM
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Aug 17, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another fun Saturday morning with Pierre and the gang. Over the usual coffee and contributed treats, we explored dreams from Jed and Eldar, and later explored Jed's pathologos by reading, in this case, the last paragraph of Plato's Meno ( Wikipedia , Perseus ). I am reminded of how Pierre often in the old days, when he was teaching at Goldenwest College would half-quip, “I don't teach philosophy. I just teach how to read.” It can be extremely difficult for all of us -- not just Jed...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, NSDRM, pg1, meno
Synopsis Another lovely Saturday morning coffee with Pierre and the gang. Dreams from Eldar, Jed, and Josh are explored. Juan and Maria Balboa are visiting, so we ask Juan about his experience translating the Iliad. (He has finished through Book 12 so far, and has started on Book 13.) We focus the last hour or so on Jed, who is having trouble reading the Republic and coming to his own conclusions, and being “stung” or puzzled (a la Meno). Great insights. Dream Texts Eldar's Dream 10 August...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, iliad,republic, book13, book05, homer
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Synopsis Several NS members meet with Pierre as usual for a lovely Saturday morning coffee and chat and/or dream analysis. Highlights Pierre asks, “Is there a single underlying unifying theology under which Homer, Plato, and Proclus all operate?” Brief discussion of Michelle's dream exploration last night . JulieH's dream exploration: “Doing for myself” → “forgetting” Eldar's dream exploration: The “surprise game” and the consequences of not sharing what I see. Dream Texts...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM
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Jul 27, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another fun Saturday morning coffee and chat with Pierre. Mostly we do dreams this morning (Jed, Regina, JulieH), though Jed's and JulieH's work brings us to question what we can count as a dream (and thus be able to midwife / work with), and what not. Dream Texts Jed's Dreams - Saturday 27 July 2019 Dream 1 I was having conversations, with three different people. It was pretty good they were listening, attentive, seemed very interested in what I was saying. There was a strange look...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM
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Jul 13, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Original Location https://archive.org/details/20190713NSSAT Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License Please Help Support the Project Like these videos? Please consider supporting Pierre, the NS, and our archiving activity by giving a small amount monthly to support our work. Go to noeticsociety.org and the 'Support the Project' section. Look for the Paypal or other link. We'd love it if you chose to 'Make this a monthly donation', as well -- rather than just one-time -- in whatever...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, meno, NSDRM
Synopsis Another wonderful Saturday morning coffee with Pierre. The talk begins with Eldar asking Pierre why dialogue is so powerful? (Eldar was referring to the “light experience” that he had as a direct result of Pierre's dialoguing with him at our previous July 4th gathering .) Then JulieP gets in to the dialogue and the state and what caused it are explored. Later, Bradley explores a recent dream. Dream Text Bradley's Dream - 6 July 2019 Insight and this other company had merged, and...
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Original Location https://archive.org/details/20190629NSSAT Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License Please Help Support the Project Like these videos? Please consider supporting Pierre, the NS, and our archiving activity by giving a small amount monthly to support our work. Go to noeticsociety.org and the 'Support the Project' section. Look for the Paypal or other link. We'd love it if you chose to 'Make this a monthly donation', as well -- rather than just one-time -- in whatever...
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Jun 22, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Original Location https://archive.org/details/20190622NSSAT Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License Please Help Support the Project Like these videos? Please consider supporting Pierre, the NS, and our archiving activity by giving a small amount monthly to support our work. Go to noeticsociety.org and the 'Support the Project' section. Look for the Paypal or other link. We'd love it if you chose to 'Make this a monthly donation', as well -- rather than just one-time -- in whatever...
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Jun 2, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Another great Saturday morning chat with Pierre! (If anyone takes brief notes on subjects covered, please submit them to info at noeticsociety.org -- thanks! More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
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Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
May 25, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Original Location https://archive.org/details/20190525NSSAT Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License Please Help Support the Project Like these videos? Please consider supporting Pierre, the NS, and our archiving activity by giving a small amount monthly to support our work. Go to noeticsociety.org and "Support the Project" section. Look for the Paypal or other link. We'd love it if you chose to "Make this a monthly donation", as well -- rather than just one-time...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM, theology-of-plato, proclus, carlo-levi, davinci